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Whites who claim to Work Hoodoo

Posted by Dr. Katrina Hazzard-Donald on December 12, 2010 at 12:08 PM

Let's open a discussion on whites who claim to work Hoodoo.  Are they doing the "real" thing or are they just making money by stealing an oppressed people's traditions?  This is an important topic.  I personally think that they should stick to their own religious/spiritual traditions.  WHAT DO YOU THINK?

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Reply Nicky Omosalewa Reed
12:34 PM on December 12, 2010 
This should be a hot topic. Will be back later to post my thoughts.
Reply Supreme Wellness
1:47 PM on December 12, 2010 
This is what I know: there are whites here and abroad monopolizing all parts of our culture--right now we're speaking specifically about hoodoo and rootwork. This issue isn't that they are using hoodoo, because there's a history of whites going to a hoodoo man, 2headed doctor or healer for personal issues. The problem are those that are claiming to be "hoodoos" and are mixing, diluting and tampering with the culture for profit. I could not go on a wicca site or group and claim to be the all knowing, some one would virtually bash my head in (LOL)-- because I would be looked at as an outsider to the culture. But whites have no problem being condescending and arrogant in regards to our culture. Honestly, to put it out there, I see very little respect for African American culture--but white folks who claim to practice hoodoo and/or ATRs romanticize over our Haitian, Cuban, Carribbean brothers and sisters. Some how we (Africans in the US) have allowed very important parts of history to be attacked by culture vultures.

But their time is up. The strong are reclaiming our culture and re-introducing our people to it. We are making connections with our brothers and sisters on the continent of Africa and in the diaspora. Now our people have a choice and the ability to see the difference and use discernment in what's real and what's not. That is what WE have to continue to do, speak for ourselves and document our own history. Talk to the elders in our families, write down what they did and didn't do, retell it to our children. We have to not be shame of our history. The truth is, if we don't use it, we'll loose it.
Reply Nicky Omosalewa Reed
5:37 PM on December 12, 2010 
I do not believe that Europeans should be initiated into our systems. There is a history of them taking our spiritual systems and trying to pass it off as theirs. This is how the so-called medical system got started. They took a lot of medical info from Africans and other Native peoples and packaged it as their own.
At the best the highest level yt can be is an " ADVOCATE ". They still trying to figure out de " TWIST " ( Chubby Checker ) .

Ancestors seen this day ; There is a secret HooDoo society vieled by the need to " KNOW " . If some of us " Knew ' theyed run go tell . like the one who told on Denmark Vessy . Our Ancestor will rise us up above any percieved trick yt might come wid dat slave tyme mind set. Wi de " Nyew Beings " .

En de name ob de " KONKER " .Borne fe dis tyme !!!!
Reply Omar Ali Fa Bemi
8:58 PM on December 12, 2010 
Peace
I believe that morally, the descendants of the people from where the tradition came from should be the only authority. I think this can't be looked at without the context of the history surrounding Hoodoo/RootWork. We should not forget that when Afrikans were brought to these shores, the rebellions were carried out by Muslims and Traditional people. Hence, Slave Master made it a crime punishable by up to death to be found engaging in Afrikan Spiritual Practice. Thus, RootWorkers had to do their thing in secret. This greatly affected the openness of this practice up to this day. And I think that those who continue to practice in secret have a valid case even today. Nevertheless, because of those conditions, RootWorkers did not practice openly, did not hold "classes" for new initiates, etc. So today, it is still hard to find people who will tell you they are RootWorkers.

Now, enter Caucasians practicing and advocating RootWork. I have to be honest, I have seen courses that give info on the subject, I have seen courses that give a "minimum curriculum" if you will on this work. I don't know its validity. And in this "Free Market" Economy, this kind of activity and behavior is promoted. But what is missing from their course is the "Sacredness" of the work.

If a black person is searching and runs across these courses, it may be all they have access to until a later time. But they should still continue to search also so that someone can clue them in on what's really happening. Until they do, they will miss out on the legacy of the workers, the ancestral link, the relationship to the land, and so many other things.

For us, this was used not only for individual desires; but as a means to build community and as a means of resistance. And therein lies the "slap in the face" by Caucasians being seen as the Main Advocates of Root Work. Especially when black people see them as that.

But I also think that those who know "The Real Deal" shoulder some of the blame. I say this because not enough info is put out there to black people to let them know. There may be very sound reasons for this, but at the end of the day, if black folk want to be seen as the true source of knowledge of "Our Thang" then black folk have to be the foremost advocate & proponent of that, and be that to other black people primarily. I don't think we should care what other people think about that. We have to out-work others for that respect from our own people. NO ONE SHOULD CHAMPION OUR CULTURE AND LEGACY MORE THAN US!

My 2 cents.
Omar Ali Fa Bemi says...
Peace
I believe that morally, the descendants of the people from where the tradition came from should be the only authority. I think this can't be looked at without the context of the history surrounding Hoodoo/RootWork. We should not forget that when Afrikans were brought to these shores, the rebellions were carried out by Muslims and Traditional people. Hence, Slave Master made it a crime punishable by up to death to be found engaging in Afrikan Spiritual Practice. Thus, RootWorkers had to do their thing in secret. This greatly affected the openness of this practice up to this day. And I think that those who continue to practice in secret have a valid case even today. Nevertheless, because of those conditions, RootWorkers did not practice openly, did not hold "classes" for new initiates, etc. So today, it is still hard to find people who will tell you they are RootWorkers.

Now, enter Caucasians practicing and advocating RootWork. I have to be honest, I have seen courses that give info on the subject, I have seen courses that give a "minimum curriculum" if you will on this work. I don't know its validity. And in this "Free Market" Economy, this kind of activity and behavior is promoted. But what is missing from their course is the "Sacredness" of the work.

If a black person is searching and runs across these courses, it may be all they have access to until a later time. But they should still continue to search also so that someone can clue them in on what's really happening. Until they do, they will miss out on the legacy of the workers, the ancestral link, the relationship to the land, and so many other things.

For us, this was used not only for individual desires; but as a means to build community and as a means of resistance. And therein lies the "slap in the face" by Caucasians being seen as the Main Advocates of Root Work. Especially when black people see them as that.

But I also think that those who know "The Real Deal" shoulder some of the blame. I say this because not enough info is put out there to black people to let them know. There may be very sound reasons for this, but at the end of the day, if black folk want to be seen as the true source of knowledge of "Our Thang" then black folk have to be the foremost advocate & proponent of that, and be that to other black people primarily. I don't think we should care what other people think about that. We have to out-work others for that respect from our own people. NO ONE SHOULD CHAMPION OUR CULTURE AND LEGACY MORE THAN US!

My 2 cents.
As a Gullah/Gee " Chi " dabbler , worker healer etc. mi find when U try to share de confermations ob Hoodoo to wi people . Dey ingage in a pissing contest and run away wid out de tally . For example, De " CHI " en Gee " CHI " es de same " CHI " en " Thi Chi " check wid de ibo ( igbo ) .Good ting di Hoodoo es like wi shadow .Wi kant lose , but wi can play wi sef . En de name ob de " KONKER " .
Pastor Joe Fisher aka PaPa Gede Nibo bey " La Kwa " .- FAM says...
As a Gullah/Gee " Chi " dabbler , worker healer etc. mi find when U try to share de confermations ob Hoodoo to wi people . Dey ingage in a pissing contest and run away wid out de tally . For example, De " CHI " en Gee " CHI " es de same " CHI " en " Thi Chi " check wid de ibo ( igbo ) .Good ting di Hoodoo es like wi shadow .Wi kant lose , but wi can play wi sef . En de name ob de " KONKER " .
Chi
In Odinani, the Igbo people believe that each person has their own personal spiritual guardian called Chi, appointed to them before and at the time of their birth. The Chi remains with them for the rest of their lives on Earth. A person's Chi is the personification of that individual's fate, which is credited for an individual's life's successes, misfortunes and failures. The Igbo believe that their success in life is determined by their Chi, and that no man can rise past the greatness of his or her own Chi. In this respect, a person's Chi is analogous to the concept of a guardian angel in Western Christianity, the daemon of Greek myth, and the genius of Roman myth
Pastor Joe Fisher aka PaPa Gede Nibo bey " La Kwa " .- FAM says...
Chi
In Odinani, the Igbo people believe that each person has their own personal spiritual guardian called Chi, appointed to them before and at the time of their birth. The Chi remains with them for the rest of their lives on Earth. A person's Chi is the personification of that individual's fate, which is credited for an individual's life's successes, misfortunes and failures. The Igbo believe that their success in life is determined by their Chi, and that no man can rise past the greatness of his or her own Chi. In this respect, a person's Chi is analogous to the concept of a guardian angel in Western Christianity, the daemon of Greek myth, and the genius of Roman myth
Not to throw the baby out with the bath wata ; Yt has a purpose and a time . Tank Gawd !!! they are some of the world"s best collectors of other people"s stuff . They have archived our ting which was lost strayed or stolen . It can be found caught in the " WEB " ( www. Who , what , when ) and the " NET " tools for en snaring we culture museums , monuments etc. sacred spaces . ( Hoodoo ) . Go fetch our tricks etc. cause de don"t know how to use dem .

We must approach HooDoo as a " SERVANT " of the ancestors . Seeking power nullifies your quest .

Another ting is during de genocide aka. ( slavery ) . Some of them got caught up in de mix . Some of my Grandma"s bro and sisters passed for white . Hmmmm ?

Hoodoo filters out the imposters . We have a especial relation with the " Devil " ( cross road science ) . If you see HooDoo fighting a bear , Hep de Bear . En de name of de " KONKER
Reply Miss Ivy
11:27 AM on December 13, 2010 
my brothers and sisters here have said it all basically muchluv2 bro Omar and Supreme Wellness--my personal opinion is this is most definitely a part of our kulture and caucasians do not share in our kulture only as the masters of colonialism--Hoodoo, Voodoo and all other original Afrikan religions are "for us, by us" if white people need help come to us like u been doing--you didn't create this--have they figured out how to make the zombie powder?
Miss Ivy says...
my brothers and sisters here have said it all basically muchluv2 bro Omar and Supreme Wellness--my personal opinion is this is most definitely a part of our kulture and caucasians do not share in our kulture only as the masters of colonialism--Hoodoo, Voodoo and all other original Afrikan religions are "for us, by us" if white people need help come to us like u been doing--you didn't create this--have they figured out how to make the zombie powder?
Speaking of Zombie"s ; Do you know the name of the most famous Zombie ? It"s " Jesus " .

In jersey there are Hoodoo masters ,look en de mirror ( De kingdom es within ) I worked in Brick City 30yrs. ( Bergen - Lehigh ) , lived Camden county 25yrs ( outside Philly ) .
Pastor Joe Fisher aka PaPa Gede Nibo bey " La Kwa " .- FAM says...
I bear witness yt has perfected de " ZOMBIE " making science . ( willie lynch etc. )
Pastor Joe Fisher aka PaPa Gede Nibo bey " La Kwa " .- FAM says...
I bear witness yt has perfected de " ZOMBIE " ( aka. Sheeple ) making science . ( willie lynch etc. )
Reply Blacktalon
10:55 PM on December 13, 2010 
Two specific and different thought come to mind whether this topic.

1. By the very nature and influence of what is the Western world, the role of the past, and of ancestors. Is some to be look at objectively rather than subjectively. It is some that is distant from the needs and action of the now. With that view this is no respect for what has come before. For a person of Euro-descent to full embrace and practice Hoodoo would require them to have a connection to the past that is more than thread. Till they have that they will never respect what has come before them, nor would they ever respect the role our Ancestor of Africa play in practicing this form of spirit work.

2. While speaking with Papa Ce` in the past on the subject of Paranormal in the African-American community. The question of why there is little reports of it ,than in the Euro population. This is due to the practices of Christianity and it like to not see the spiritually world as part of or having a place in this world. To be in essence IGNORANT of it. The problem is that practice has been applied to many area of our daily existence. Till more of our brothers and sister can be awaken to this realty and the fact that is just as vaild as Christianity, Islam, Judism, HIndusm, or Buddism. We will have a long struggle ahead of us.

In the problem is how we confront this problem without reveal the hidden truths one must learn with time. The white who practice this and then challenge us out to show how they are wrong have the upper hand, because they know we will not openly reveal these truths. And we're then left without a leg to stand on. The first step to fight this is how do we get prove without revealing to much?
Reply Supreme Wellness
12:17 AM on December 14, 2010 
Those are some very great points Blacktalon...In respect to your last question:

"In the problem is how we confront this problem without reveal the hidden truths one must learn with time. The white who practice this and then challenge us out to show how they are wrong have the upper hand, because they know we will not openly reveal these truths. And we're then left without a leg to stand on. The first step to fight this is how do we get prove without revealing to much?"

I think there are many fronts this battle must be fought on simultaneously: 1. In the home and community--by keeping traditions and talking about the old ways 2. Nationally--There should be a meeting of practitioners of African descent here in North America 3. Business wise--More of us who have the knowledge to do so need to advertise our services. Many of us found out about the others (whites) simply because their names popped up on google first. We have to market and properly publicize our services to our people. 4. Control--We need to set ourselves up to be the ones who legitamize our culture. If you look up hoodoo in Wikipedia, the sources are predominately white. When we see or hear something false we need to speak up and let it be known, and correct it. We must keep repeating that white folks are outsiders to hoodoo/rootwork and anything they say, write, and practice in the name of hoodoo must be legitamized by a true hoodoo of African descent.

I for one am excited about Dr. Hazzard's book, because when it is published, I think that's going to be the official call to arms...
The way to correct a ting without revealing the " KEY " is the art of " Signification " .. This has been used by Hoodoo adepts .

I gave one example ; What is the name of the most famous ' ZOMBIE " ? " Jesus " . That corrects , connects on many planes . De " NO HAN KILL " .The burden of truth is no on wi .
En de name ob de " KONKER " .

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